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I viewed this article last night but given the emotional content I printed it to re-read it in hard copy.
I know little about the prison system. I have no knowledge about the block in Cork and must admit to having regarded the Governor Mr. Lonergan in a rather different view than you.
On reading the article - I started to think about the all too many suicides in our prisons, the recent murder of a man while 5 inmates stood by as witnesses. Then I notice the many articles about the young Wheelock man' and the pressures placed on his family since his 'supposed' suicide and the 24 hour overhaul of his cell.....then I thought of the Morris Tribunal - The Barr Tribunal and John Carty. Then there is the all encompassing Mental Health horror and stigmatisation. Now mental health problems with the move to Thornton Hall of the Central Mental Hospital suggest that mental health and criminality are synomous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I look to Enron in the US and I note prison sentences for those executives who basically caused the collapse of the bank through fraudulent practices and the Federal State Sentences of nearly 30 years for men near 60 years old.
What is wrong in Ireland? People engage in corruption and they manage to pay back-dated tax and a premium all brought about by the Tribunals that have cost the state some Euros 125 m. legal fees and are ongoing.
Corruption is corruption and is not acceptable. It is undermining our state and creating a state within a state ('Ioeb Republic Trinity Journal - circa months ago - most interesting few lines).
Kevin - Chris Murray is also writing up on this topic. I wonder what the Irish Council for Civil Liberties are doing or the Irish Penal Reform Trust. There appears to be a clear breach of Human Rights........
Regards
Michelle 'Every Exit is an entry to somewhere else' This is about hope............................Justice Ethics Equity
I am surprised there have been no replies. I understand that it is probable the Irish Penal Reform Trust that keeps a watch over our prisons and administtration.
However, what concerns me is the policy of the Block or as you call it the punishment block.
This does not sount as if it is consistent with human rightds.
Mybe it ought to be raised with the Irish Human Rights Commission.
Michelle Clarke
to quote the late judge philip o sullivan "the judiciary are not immune from criticism,roll on the judicial council"unquote.Neither are the governors of our prisons,thats why my posts on public inquiry should be brought to the attention of the author of story no.79742,under the following headings"whos watching the watchers"unanswered questions"be very afraid"whats new"also on indymedia under the heading "historical"on the peter preston site[outside berties drumcondra office]it will show concerned ireland is very selective in the people they deem as needing moral support.slan
Michelle states: "I understand that it is probable the Irish Penal Reform Trust that keeps a watch over our prisons and administtration." That may be so.
Can anybody explain the difference of approach to prison matters between the IPRT and the former PRO, prisoners rights organisation, that agitated on prison issues more than twenty years ago? I remember Joe Costello, now a backbench Labour TD, was spokesman for the PRO. A certain Margaret Gaje (?) owner of a cheap eating place in Baggot Street was also active in this group.
Scarparer
Perhaps better late than never.
I do not recall the PRO of 20 years ago and Joe Costello. I have read K.T. Walsh's material on prison hostilities and through this arrived at the Irish Penal Reform Trust and the Irish Council for Civil Liberties. I get their monthly bulletins on the web.
Mountjoy and the 'riot' the other day, has brought to the fore our prison system and perhaps we should avail of the opportunity to establish a view of our prison system.
Personally, the overcrowding in prison cells is totally unacceptable. The idea of inproper sanitation conjures up questions of MRSA asnd other infections.....how come the people in hospitals are so susceptible to the MRSA etc. infections and yet we hear nothing about prisons. Maybe someone knows a little more than me.
Suicides - what is being done in this regard for people who need medically assistance and perhaps psychological counselling. A man died last year in his prison cell. There were a number present yet the report of this horrific murder is languishing somewhere......why.
Thornton Hall......Prison Extraordinaire......on the outskirts of Dublin.....Can somebody please speak out as to why the Central Mental Hospital can be closed down (and no the funds from the sale no doubt used at the discretion of the Government) and that people suffering from mental illness can be sent there thereby actually criminalising them. The law of insanity is quite unique in its wording and stands for several hundred years.....
I believe we have to Give Peace a chance and to do this we need to give people a chance.
Excellence by Aristotle (384-322) BC Greek philosopher
'We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act BUT A HABIT'
Michelle
Michelle Clarke
As the budget is being read out at maximum speed by our Minister for Finance, I hope that we do not forget those who are vulnerable and deemed a high cost to society.
They say to keep a young person in Trinity House is over Euros 300,000. Yet, it is mooted that the Youth Education VEC be scrapped. This us crazy surely. If there were more paid advocates in communities we might able to guide young people to appropriate courses........This system has been positive to Ireland in the past with many successful people having had a VEC education. Remember,. jobs are being lost in the computer processing side because, the World Order, has moved Ireland into 'Knowledge Economy' era.
Knowledge as symbolised by the Salmon has been conquered many a time by people imprisoned for wrongdoing.
Life long learning is helped greatly by the Web. We need to focus on utilising the web where possible to access the information that helps us to make decisions.
We have heard on the news over the last few days of the extremely primitive standards in our mental health hospitals......what then is happening in our Prisons
The two P's are interchangeable but any way, we have a duty under the constitution to protect the vulnerable.
Restorative Justice is the only way to make reductions to imprisoning un-necessary sentences......who Judges!!!! is to be decided.
Is it appropriate to set up debtors courts without necssarily imprisoning. MABS exists and it works.......what we need is more integration.
Michelle
A new dimension from from the EU and it is now time for the Irish people to review the matter.
It is proposed to give the franchise to people in prison. There will be a cap of 4 years.
Personally, I would welcome this. Likewise, I believe that young people should be entltled to vote from the age of 16.
1916 was a year of the Suffragettes and the vote for women and the vote for the Irish people so why not extend it. To vote is about participation in the affairs of thbe country......no matter how small the contribution is......
Michelle
.'HOW CAN THE GOVERNOR OF WESTERN EUROPE'S WORST AND MOST VIOLENT PRISON BECOME A MEDIA LUVVIE?' Article by Kevin Myers 24th April 2009
Well written Mr. Myers. Indymedia has posted a similar expression of alarm, in the foregoing postings.
I agree with your comment about 'It being ther cognitive dissonance thing which is most puzzling in Irish society; you know, the difference between reality and perception thereof.
The article asks:
- where else in Europe is there a prison where four prisoners died violent or unnatural deaths, within a few months?
- where inspectors from the Council of Europe had found conditions DEGRADING.
- where prisoners eat alongside chamber pots (soiled and utilised)
- where there is gross overcrowding
- where heroin is on the supply increase side
Myers goes on to say 'But Lonergan, the governor of Mountjoy, is a much loved celebrity, and all of the above.....' ARE ON HIS WATCH.
Mr. Lonergan is called on to host many conferences - he hosted one at Ceifin in Co. Clare last October. Ironically the topic was about restoring family values in Society?... The following month Lonergan spoke at the regional conference of SIPTU, where he received a standing ovation.......as he denounced the practices of the Bank of Ireland.
An article in today's Irish Times, states that the idea of Super Prisons is most probably going to be sidelined in the UK. In the light of this, what is the real position re. Thornton Hall......a realistic bad debt for the proposed NAMA to make the most out of!!!!!!!..
The state has a duty of care, and the Governor as representative of the State, assumes a duty of care for our Prisons. In this context, we must ask about Gary Douche? Why was in a 6 man cell, in Mountjoy and not in the Central Mental Hospital. Gary Douche, hyperactive, short attention span young man - the Court revealed. The man who was convicted of murder but it was a reduced plea of insanity. The court case was brief according to RTE and all broadline media coverage. The question that is persistently asked is how this man was removed from the Central Mental hospital to a six man cell without his proper medications. Two top psychiatrists, without naming any blame, on radio and TV have asked some serious questions about the conditions in Mountjoy prison. It was said on the Pat Kenny show, that Mrs. Dooch has more answers than questions.
Mountjoy is a Victorian designed prison. The motivation for the 'Cell' was so that a person imprisoned was solo in the cell with the Bible. What has happened since the 1800's in Ireland? -chamber pots and not one person and a Bible but sometimes as many as six in a cell (one can assume no Bible). This should not be the case in the year 2009 and whoever precides as Governor ought to be held accountable.........
Mr. Herrick, Irish Penal Reform Trust and Gerry Carroll spoke about our prison rules and system on the Pat Kenny show last night. 50 years behind other countries like Australia, New Zealand, Mr. Herrick considered the Irish system to be, and Gerry Carroll agreed with him.
We the plain people of Ireland must alert ourselves to injustices in our penal system.
Michelle Clarke