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'We Must Heed What is the Creed'

category national | rights, freedoms and repression | opinion/analysis author Monday September 10, 2007 15:42author by C Murray Report this post to the editors

Father's Rights and The Constitution.

Michael Mc Dowell, being back in the High Court defending the Rights of the Father
is awaiting judgement of the Mr 'G' case, in which a father has applied for return of his kids
from another jurisdiction (UK) and the right to be a father and to educate his children.
Another recent High Court case is being prepared to go to the Supreme Court regarding
the rights of a woman to use the eggs she is storing and to have the dad pay for the
future life and education of any child conceived as result of the process- the father
won citing the end of the marriage and irreconcilable difference. She is appealing.
Both cases involve:- Father's Rights to family and both are read for and judged
within the confines of the Catholic Constitution drafted by De Valera and of
course substanially amended by Archbishop Mc Quaid. The 'G' case should get loads of coverage.

The frozen embroyo case underscored the right of the father not to have a family in the face
of irreconcilable differences between him and his former wife. The 'G' case involves the
desire of the father to have a role in the life and education of his children and judgement is
expected soon. In both cases the men involved have found themselves being subject to
their perceived role in the family and have had their roles defined by the Constitutional
definition of the role of both men and women in the family and in the State. It being unfair
to both men and women in the narrowest definition of gender roles. These cases
were not taken by women, we have not reached a level yet where the courts are used
to allow a woman's right not to have children be defined outside of a referendum.

The women must go to the European Court of Human rights in relation to abortion rights
and to appeal the narrowness conferred on our role by a law that defines us as
reproductive entities from the age of 12-menopause. Currently in Canonical and
Legislative definition we are not entitled to medical abortion, choice in maternity care,
and girls age from 12 are subject to co-equality which means that their lives are considered
co-equal with the foetus. The judgement on 'X' allowed for the legislation for limited
medical abortion , this has not been achieved by FF in ten years, nor in the nearly
16 years since the judgement. The issue of legislation is nothing to do with with
the writing of another expensive and divisive referendum. In the meantime we have
on the Statutes the Criminal law (Sexual offences) Bill 2006/2007, drafted by
ex- Minister Mc Dowell, no rights of the child to privacy and bodily integrity enshrined
in the constitution and the LRC wanting to reduce the age of statutory rape to 12 years.
We are behind in human trafficking laws and the sole arbitrator in moral and religious
affairs is the family and by extension the RC Church.

Men are rightly challenging the definition of their roles within the constitutional definitions
that have been handed down to us from the Mc Quaid era, which was informed by his
relation to right-wing Catholicism and encompassed a knee-jerk reaction to modernity
at the heart of the Holy See. The Catholic Church at Pope Benedict XV's time
claimed to be the one true church , conversion was the order of the day, with Ecumenism
a cover for the conversion of the Protestant minority in Ireland. This present pope
XVI has done something along the same lines by declaring Protestantism to be
a fraternal Christian order and RC the one true Church, based in the Apostolic
sucession. Today's Irish times reported on the Life Conference which urged
our Government to adhere to the rules of the RC religion (Tim O Brien reports).

The issue of inducing or encouraging our largely male legislature to adhere to RC
doctrine presents particular difficulties for women:-
The Primacy of Rome, Papal infallibility and the Uniqueness of Catholicism
do not accept in any way the rights of women except in a narrowly defined and purely sexist
definition of woman within her perceived familial and reproductive role.

read:-
Moratorium Annos 1928 (Pius XI)

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Resistance to Educational Change.     C Murray    Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:48 
   Mr 'G' won the case     C Murray    Tue Sep 11, 2007 17:42 
   Second Stage of civil union bill 2006     C Murray    Tue Sep 11, 2007 18:11 
   Conflicting rights     Welwyn    Wed Sep 12, 2007 06:36 
   Lessening Politcal expedience would be a Start     C Murray    Wed Sep 12, 2007 09:10 
   The new situation has chaos potential     Welwyn    Wed Sep 12, 2007 09:54 
   We read the family as the sole arbiter of children's rights     C Murray    Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:32 
   Do away with...?     Welwyn    Wed Sep 12, 2007 13:08 
   church arbiter     C Murray    Wed Sep 12, 2007 16:02 
 10   Gender Neutrality     C Murray    Thu Sep 13, 2007 15:45 
 11   (partly) In response to C Murray     Tom    Fri Sep 14, 2007 18:51 
 12   That would be an ecumenical question     Christine Murray (female person)    Fri Sep 14, 2007 19:03 
 13   January 13th 1941     C Murray    Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:56 
 14   Accuracy and fairness     Sceptic    Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:20 
 15   Mc Quaid     C Murray    Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:28 
 16   The Proclamation     C Murray    Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:51 
 17   Abortion is your sticking point     Welwyn    Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:55 
 18   Concerns     C Murray    Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:57 
 19   Link     C Murray    Mon Sep 17, 2007 16:14 
 20   Guardian warns of Anglican Schism     C Murray    Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:18 
 21   You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?     jahzyus    Thu Sep 20, 2007 18:44 
 22   Reduce the text of the whole article to one thing     C Murray    Thu Sep 20, 2007 19:07 
 23   OK let's reduce your article, Chris at your suggestion. First brush the crap, then a fine comb     jayzhus    Thu Sep 20, 2007 19:36 
 24   iosaf stop trolling me     C Murray    Thu Sep 20, 2007 19:39 
 25   Everyone knows I use "Jayzhus" CHris. Answer the points     iosaf    Thu Sep 20, 2007 19:58 
 26   Mc Quaid     C Murray    Thu Sep 20, 2007 20:57 
 27   so that's Mc Quaid done is it? You still haven't made any point Chris or answered questions.     iosaf    Thu Sep 20, 2007 21:27 
 28   Confusing     Welwyn    Fri Sep 21, 2007 00:43 
 29   Reply to Iosaf     C Murray    Fri Sep 21, 2007 09:28 
 30   Well put Chris - you made a point. But it has nothing to do with your article.     iosaf    Fri Sep 21, 2007 15:58 
 31   Encyclical     C Murray    Fri Sep 21, 2007 17:27 
 32   So it's Cooney's fault then that you tell us to read encyclicals that don't exist?     JAYZHUS    Fri Sep 21, 2007 18:09 
 33   we don't look alike...     c Murray    Fri Sep 21, 2007 18:19 
 34   When you say Celia shafted Bertie, do you mean fuck & cunt stuff?     filler comment    Sat Sep 22, 2007 19:00 
 35   Ovary Splicing     C Murray    Sat Sep 22, 2007 20:02 
 36   Link to the report on the Frozen Embryo case     iosaf    Sat Sep 22, 2007 20:44 
 37   Secular spaces     Sophists 'R' Us/C Murray    Mon Sep 24, 2007 20:03 
 38   Why are you insulting me yet again & pinging this dead thread?     iosaf    Mon Sep 24, 2007 20:46 


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